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As most of you know, I read about nutrition sometimes. The most recent read to convince me of a few things is a book called Deep Nutrition. I've been leaning more paleo over the last year or so anyway, and, well... Deep Nutrition hits hard in that direction. It starts off talking about epigenetics and what pretty people look like. Very gentle, very nice, alluring, although it turned me off at first because it was talking about making beautiful babies and I am not planning to make any.

Then it talks for a while about things that have been common in pretty much all old, traditional diets (is there some exception in India, where vegetarianism has been a big thing for a very long time)? That was cool and all seemed to have some reason to it. Meat cooked on the bone so that nutrients from many parts of the animal make it into your system. Organ meats and other animal bits that contain things that our eyes and joints and organs can make ready use of, but that we don't eat much anymore. Fresh, raw plants, maybe making up a large portion of the diet. And lastly, fermented foods (sure, who hasn't heard about the benefits of miso and yogurt and kimchi and limited alcoholic drinks? but there was stuff I didn't know. Like, tofu was traditionally fermented, but the stuff we buy today is not. Same with pickles. Hey, really?)

Finally the pleasantries ended, as it came down hard on sugars, carbs by extension (in excess), and vegetable oils. That last one was a surprise to me, and the premise is basically that non-saturated oils can't stand up to the heat used in cooking: they react with oxygen and turn into trans fats when heated, in a way that doesn't happen to the sturdier saturated variety. Saturated means "way less chemically reactive". What's on the label is not what we end up eating.

One thing I liked a lot was the talk of some parts of food being used structurally in the body. I've long been interested in this. Some of what we eat is burned for calories, but some of it is simply taken and used to shore up our structures instead. Especially omega-3s, which are high calorie -- but so what if they're not preferentially used for calories? Nobody knows quite how much of each process happens. And we know that ingestion is not the same as absorption: a diabetic might eat the same meal I eat, and a different hit of nutrition will make it to my cells and to their cells. Signals get lost, cancelled, amplified. Food gets wasted or used. Fat-soluble vitamins may or may not make it across the intestinal border, depending on the company they keep.

So, I've been slowly stretching in a different (and more carnivorous) direction after reading this book. It's been pretty easy to make and eat soup made from bone stock, which is highly recommended; I can buy local chicken bone stock just down the street. Yay for glucosamines. I've also found two local places that I can buy beef marrow bones, which I could use to make my own broth but I haven't gotten that far yet. I've started ordering my Friday burger medium instead of medium well, following the discussion about gently cooked meat being more nutritious -- these things are baby steps that don't seem like they'll hurt, and could help a lot if the book is mostly right.

I have not really succeeded in stretching out into organ meats unless you count the foie gras at an expensive restaurant. I have found some fermented, non-pasteurized miso to try making soup out of though. And the local butcher does sell chicken livers, which I got some of (quite a lot for a dollar, actually), and I plan to put in this weekend's soup in small amounts to see if it's edible that way.

I haven't found non-pasteurized milk yet, and this is one of the things I'm most interested in, after reading about the intricate and clever structure of raw milk and how that's largely destroyed by cooking.

It's so much easier to act on positive recommendations than on negative ones. I've been avoiding starches more, sure, and TRYING to cut out things that are fried in vegetable oil or made with cooked vegetable oil, but that last one is really hard. The stuff's in everything.

Date: 2012-02-19 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elbren
is there a distinction between canola and olive oils, or are they both evil when heated?

Date: 2012-02-19 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rifmeister.livejournal.com
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/#axzz1mrkr02kF

Date: 2012-02-20 01:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elbren
thanks. also, chicken livers are excellent. cook them enough, but not too much. beef livers are also excellent, but it's even more important than for muscle that the animal be healthy and pastured and never fed corn.

I know the intricate and clever structure of raw milk can do good things for you, but infected milk will kill you quickly, and also slowly and painfully (crohn's disease, for one, is suspected to originate from consumption of inadequately pasteurized milk). I wouldn't drink it (not that i ever drink milk anyway) unless i personally knew the dairymaid, who also drank it raw, and would be personally saddened if something bad happened to me. that said, i don't know if you can get raw milk in MA, but you sure can in NH.

Date: 2012-02-19 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittymel.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this. Good info - I am totally going to pick up a copy

Date: 2012-02-19 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nahele-101.livejournal.com
I will get that from the library. Nutrition stuff is interesting.

Date: 2012-02-19 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miyyu.livejournal.com
Wow, vegetable oil? Crap, that is definitely tough to avoid. Do they make distinctions among them? I've always preferred olive oil, taste-wise, and also because I've read that it's the best of the lot nutritionally.

Date: 2012-02-19 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevers.livejournal.com
it is nice to be in paleo-ish company! that's amazing that you can buy local chicken stock. i make my own, in the slow cooker, every couple weeks. actually i mainly eat soup/stew these days, because it's easy to throw everything in the slow cooker and then have food for the week, and easy to make it paleo, and stock is so good for you. and yes, see if you can find raw fermented pickles! so yummy!

i can't palate chicken liver but i do enjoy beef liver from time to time, with plenty of bacon, onions, and kale (for texture).
you may need to find a buying club for raw milk. i think it's worth it.
and yeah, eating out or eating preprepared food, it's impossible to avoid veg oil. i don't worry about it too much because i mainly eat home-cooked food, but i feel for you.

Date: 2012-02-20 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soong.livejournal.com
I already mostly use one or two tablespoons of oil as pan lubricant, so I'll call that good enough. When it's a real ingredient, it's probably going right next to sugar into evil but delicious desserts. [livejournal.com profile] rifmeister's link on oils was interesting. I keep Canola and Olive and Palm, but may investigate coconut.

Date: 2012-02-20 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rifmeister.livejournal.com
Coconut's good. It's a solid at room temperature. It definitely makes things taste like coconut, which for me limits its use somewhat.

Date: 2012-02-20 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] islenskr.livejournal.com
Coconut oil is good because (I believe) it's mostly saturated. Also, lard (organic) is awesome.

Here's a link to a bunch of places that sell raw milk in MA:
http://www.realmilk.com/where05.html#ma

I know the trick for you is getting there to buy it, but some of these farms might also sell it at various farmer's markets that may be closer to you.

I recently got some lamb bones that I need to make into stock. Really excited! I've never made stock out of anything but chicken bones before. Did you end up getting that paleo cookbook "Well Fed"?

Date: 2012-02-21 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rifmeister.livejournal.com
I have "Well Fed". It looks very good, although to be fair I haven't made anything from it yet. Also, whenever Anna sees the cover, she yells out "Welfed!", which is alone worth the price.

Date: 2012-02-20 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apfelsingail.livejournal.com
So did the author go into coconut oil? I'm thinking about my, uh. Popcorn intake. :-)

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